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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:57 pm

As the 90's approached, the 1990 season would begin with the next major change to Marquette' s football schedule.

Would like to research these years a little more thoroughly. But what we know are the "A-B-C" teams would return as being the "Great Northern Conference" consisting of the larger schools- Escanaba, Marquette (Class A), Gladstone, Kingsford and Menominee (Class B).

Then another major move. Alpena, Escanaba, Marquette and Traverse City Central would also form a four team Class A conference taking the name of an old U.P. Conference, the "Great-Lakes Conference."

This would basically help these schools lock in games with each other. Back then there was no "Six and you're in" playoff system. If the Marquette football program was to ever make the playoffs, they needed to start playing against and winning vs more Class A opponents (and strong B teams.)

Traverse City Central and Alpena had been playing as Independents in order to do this. Escanaba played Independent a couple years earlier in '86 & '87 but even since had secured Class A schools opponents on their schedule.

So now Marquette will be playing these (1 of 2) conference opponents:

Class A opponents:
* Traverse City Central
* Escanaba
* Alpena

Class B opponents:
* Gladstone
* Kingsford
* Menominee

Non conference Opponents

* Sault Ste Marie (Class B)
* Gwinn (Class B- would eventually drop to Class C in 1995)
* Negaunee (Class B- in '89, Class C in '90, Class B in '91-'93, then C etc)
* Ishpeming (Marquette' s smallest opponent at Class C.)

One of the non-conference opponents would unfortunately have to go. This is what am looking into more detail and will get back....
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:20 am

Heading into the 1990 season, Marquette would begin playing another very strong football program in Traverse City Central. As the 1980's era came to a close, here is how Marquette had done against most of their U.P. opponents the past 10 seasons (Minus West Iron County and Ironwood):

Ishpeming 9-1
Gwinn 7-3
Negaunee 6-4
Sault Ste Marie 4-0
Kingsford 3-7
Alpena 2-2
Gladstone 2-8
Menominee 1-9
Escanaba 1-11

It's obvious Marquette has never been a football power, but for many years simply "solid and respectable." On a positive note, in many of those losses the program was "competitive" which kept the student-athletes participation numbers respectable.

The opponent Marquette would lose heading into the '90's would be the Ishpeming Hematites. Marquette had won the past 5 meetings against Ishpeming too.

Looking at the state of both programs since, one can only imagine what "could have been" had the rivalry continued.

On the next post will show how the scheduling worked out with Marquette being in two conferences.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:36 am

Unfortunately we don't know who the AD's were at this time, we didn't have the internet to track the school's scheduling or specific details who was coordinating games with who, but we can go back and see the end result.

So Marquette is already set with their GNC opponents on their schedule.

Within the newly formed 4 team Great Lakes Conference, just about everyone is already playing each other:

* Traverse City Central and Escanaba play Week 2.
* Escanaba and Marquette play Week 4.
* Alpena and Escanaba play Week 5.
* Traverse City Central and Alpena Week 7.
* Marquette and Alpena play Week 9.

Now Marquette and Traverse City have to schedule each other...
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:07 am

On TCC' s side, it was easy. In 1989 they had a Week 1 open date. So for the 1990 season, Marquette could be that team to fill out the schedule:

Traverse City Central 1989 schedule. 1990 opponents in ( ) Great Lakes Conference opponents in bold:

Wk 1: Open (Marquette)
Wk 2: Escanaba
Wk 3: Detroit Cass Tech (Detroit Murray-Wright)
Wk 4: Muskegon
Wk 5: Jackson Lumen Christi
Wk 6: Midland Dow
Wk 7: Alpena
Wk 8: Okemos
Wk 9: East Kentwood (Benton Harbor)

By picking up Marquette, TCC would now have 7 Class A opponents and 2 Class B opponents.

So we do know Traverse City Central needed to fill Weeks 1, 3 and 9 after the 1989 season.

For fun, let's do the same for Alpena and Escanaba' s '89 & '90 seasons:

Alpena

Wk 1: Saginaw Nouvel Catholic
Wk 2: Essexville Garber
Wk 3: Muskegon
Wk 4: Sault Ste Marie Bewating (Ontario Canada)
Wk 5: Escanaba
Wk 6: Ypsilanti (Sault Ste Marie)
Wk 7: Traverse City Central
Wk 8: Oscoda
Wk 9: Marquette

So Week 6 was the only change. Saginaw Nouvel Catholic moved from Class C to B so Alpena' s opponents would be 4 Class A, 3 Class B and 2 Class C.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:15 am

Escanaba

Wk 1: GB Premontre (Notre Dame Academy)
Wk 2: Traverse City Central
Wk 3: Antigo
Wk 4: Marquette
Wk 5: Alpena
Wk 6: Fond du Lac St Marys Springs (Cheboygan)
Wk 7: Gladstone
Wk 8: Menominee
Wk 9: Kingsford

Esky did have an outstanding team that '89 season. Went undefeated.

For 1990 Week 6 was the only change they needed. In Week 1 that opponent Green Bay Premontre well they merged with DePere Pennings (maybe there was another real small Catholic school too?) becoming Notre Dame Academy.

So in 1990 Esky would play 3 Class A, 5 Class B and 1 Class C (a real strong private school). Hope I am correct with Antigo being equivalent to Class B?

So anyways with this information, this was again Marquette' s 1989 schedule:

Wk 1: Kingsford
Wk 2: Sault Ste Marie (NC)
Wk 3: Ishpeming (NC)
Wk 4: Escanaba
Wk 5: Gladstone
Wk 6: Menominee
Wk 7: Gwinn (NC)
Wk 8: Negaunee (NC)
Wk 9: Alpena

So to play in two conferences, Marquette had to drop one of the non-conference opponents to play Traverse City Central.

If Marquette simply filled in TCC' s Week 1 open slot, Marquette would have to ask Kingsford to move to a different week.

Thought: Could Marquette drop Ishpeming in Week 3, play TCC that week (since TCC had to find a new opponent) and left Kingsford in Week 1?

We don't know. Remember TCC was very powerful those years winning Class A in '85 and '88 so they probably had teams avoiding them.

It appears the answer lies in Kingsford' s schedule. Will try to continue here in the near future!
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:53 pm

So that's what happened. In 1990 Marquette filled Traverse City Central' s Week 1 open slot so the two schools could play each other.

Meanwhile on Marquette' s schedule Kingsford moved from Week 1 to Week 3- replacing Ishpeming.

So here was Kingsford' s 1989 schedule, with their 1990 opponent in parenthesis ( ) if there were any changes. A-B-C/GNC opponents in bold:

Kingsford '89 & '90 schedule

Wk 1: Marquette (Ironwood)
Wk 2: Norway (Orchard Lake St Mary's)
Wk 3: Houghton (Marquette)
Wk 4: West Iron County (Fond du Lac St Mary Springs)
Wk 5: Menominee
Wk 6: Ironwood (St. Ignac)
Wk 7: Iron Mountain
Wk 8: Gladstone
Wk 9: Escanaba

Kingsford had Week 3 open after 1989 as Houghton was part of a huge restructuring for many of the schools in the Western U.P.

Houghton, Calumet, Hancock, Ontonagon and L'Anse were all part of the Copper Country Conference. Beginning the 1990 season West Iron County and Ironwood joined them and together they formed the "Western Peninsula Athletic Conference" or the "WestPAC."
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby upfootball » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:10 am

It's hard to believe its been that long since Kingsford and Norway quit their rivalry. Flivvers were not a good program in the 80's and Norway had their way with them for the most part. Norway had some great teams, particularly in the early 80's. Where they won a State Championship. Flivvers started turning it around when Coach Hofer was hired in 1987. The 89 game against Norway was pretty ugly. Even the Flivver reserves were having their way with the Norway starters. Many of those reserves were underclassmen who would go on to earn a birth in the State Finals against Tyrone Wheatley and Dearborn Robichaud the next year. The series never resumed and Norway is on the cusp of Class D right now, so it probably wont ever resume.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:26 pm

upfootball wrote:It's hard to believe its been that long since Kingsford and Norway quit their rivalry. Flivvers were not a good program in the 80's and Norway had their way with them for the most part. Norway had some great teams, particularly in the early 80's. Where they won a State Championship. Flivvers started turning it around when Coach Hofer was hired in 1987. The 89 game against Norway was pretty ugly. Even the Flivver reserves were having their way with the Norway starters. Many of those reserves were underclassmen who would go on to earn a birth in the State Finals against Tyrone Wheatley and Dearborn Robichaud the next year. The series never resumed and Norway is on the cusp of Class D right now, so it probably wont ever resume.


Awesome bit of U.P. football history- thanks for sharing upfootball!

Was going to add about Marquette' s schedule during this time frame- two opponent's whose football programs really rose to a completely different level were Kingsford and Negaunee (in my opinion).

No disrespect to various Kingsford or Negaunee teams prior, but from a consistent basis they reloaded year after year.

In the 80's what stung the Marquette football program so much was they'd hear how "Kingsford was a sub .500 program" (however that wasn't true) but they usually always had Marquette' s number, winning the majority of the games. Back then Kingsford didn't hit nothing near like Negaunee, Ishpeming, Menominee or Escanaba but they were known for being quick. Those Marquette - Kingsford contests were good, competitive games and it came down to Kingsford making plays and Marquette didn't. I think alumni from this era will agree (I hope).

I remember Chris Hofer being a standout for Northern Michigan University back when NMU got many of the best U.P. football players. Northern had some really good teams those years. It's amazing how much Coach Chris Hofer has impacted the Flivver football program since he became the head coach there.

What a difference the right coach makes!
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:41 am

Besides the Kingsford Flivvers, the other football program in the late 1980's who really went up another level were the Negaunee Miners.

They always had a solid football program. They had some very good teams mixed in with some average- peaks and valleys here and there. They won the MPC back in 1977 and tied for 2nd with Gwinn and Munising in '78. It would be Ishpeming in '78 & '79 then Munising had their year in 1980. But for the next 5 years it was pretty much Iron Mountain.

It was in the mid to late 80's you would especially see this rise in Negaunee on a consistent basis. It would be described as what many of you call "success breeds success."

I remember after one of Negaunee' s playoff victories in the mid '80's. One of their football coaches telling me when the team got back into town about midnight, they looked out on the football field and through the darkness saw about 30 young kids playing football. They figured "Ahh let it go" and decided not to kick them off.

The next major step was in the early 90's. More playoff success but what seemed to make the difference was the MHSAA expanded the playoffs. Negaunee really made the headlines in 1991 losing a tough game in the Class CC finals.

Through these years you saw the transitioning of coaches too that kept the ball rolling. For sure at both the JV level and varsity. At the varsity level Coach Paul Jacobson brought in college experience from Central Michigan and you can't forget about Coach Mark Marana. He had some years of being an assistant and head coach at NMU and many people forget he did coach a year as head coach at Alpena before joining / getting hired at Negaunee.

Then also through those years Coach Mike Mileski helped his good friend Coach Dick Koski and even during Coach Jake's tenure Coach Mileski helped up in the press box. (Possibly scouting too). Understand then Coach Koski helped behind the scenes too.

Another tidbit of info that helped the program was in the mid-90's many of the Negaunee coaches saw how Pop Warner was hurting their numbers. So they changed the youth football program.

They said they weren't going to stand by and "watch the numbers continue to drop."

This is just from "an outsider looking in" but entering the 1990's schools like Kingsford and Negaunee made Marquette' s schedule much harder.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby upfootball » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:38 am

This is a great thread here Hueby. This is what it is all about. The entire existence of this website was based on finding great people to share stories and history of UP football. Thank you.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:03 pm

upfootball wrote:This is a great thread here Hueby. This is what it is all about. The entire existence of this website was based on finding great people to share stories and history of UP football. Thank you.


There is a football coach in the WestPAC who was (still is) very passionate about U.P. football. Back when growing up he was the one I learned it from. He just loved and respected Marquette' s opponents & other teams from other conferences, as well as meeting current & former players from around the U.P.

I didn't really catch on until I left the U.P. Then you realize how much you miss it.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:26 pm

Speaking of the WestPAC, back in '89-'90 when Marquette had to drop an opponent due to playing in two conferences for playoff points reasons, as mentioned West Iron County and Ironwood joined forces with 5 schools from the Copper-County Conference to create the WestPAC.

Here were the opponents each school lost from their 1989 schedule & who they gained for 1990:

Calumet

Lost: Northland Pines (WI) and Bessemer.
Gained: WIC and Ironwood.
A note, Cally continued playing an 8 game schedule these years.

Hancock

Lost: Wakefield and Westwood.
Gained: WIC and Ironwood.

Houghton

Lost: Kingsford, Wakefield and Forest Park.
Gained: Stephenson, Ewen-Trout Creek and WIC.

Ironwood

Lost: Duluth East (MN), Lakeland Union (WI), Menominee and Stephenson.
Gained: Hancock, Calumet, Stevens Point Pacelli (WI) and Ontonagon.

L'Anse

Lost: Gwinn.
Gained: Northland Pines (WI).

Ontonagon

Lost: Wakefield and Forest Park.
Gained: WIC and Ironwood.

West Iron County

Lost: Crandon (WI), Stephenson, Kingsford and Ishpeming.
Gained: Calumet, Hancock, Houghton and Ontonagon.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:28 pm

1990 - 1999 Seasons

Alright, after looking more in depth leading up to the 1990 season, this was how it all looked from '90-'96:

Conference games in bold
GNC= Great Northern Conference opponent
GLAC= Great Lakes Athletic Conference opponent

Wk 1: Traverse City Central GLAC
Wk 2: Sault Ste Marie
Wk 3: Kingsford GNC
Wk 4: Escanaba GNC/GLAC
Wk 5: Gladstone GNC
Wk 6: Menominee GNC
Wk 7: Gwinn
Wk 8: Negaunee
Wk 9: Alpena GNC/GLAC

Summarizing everything-

* Traverse City Central had an open Week 1 slot which Marquette filled to play them.

* Kingsford lost Houghton in Week 3 as Houghton was involved in a majoring rescheduling process in the formation of the new West PAC.

* So the Marquette-Kingsford game was moved from Week 1 to Week 3.

* Marquette had to drop one of their non-conference opponents for play off points reasons. Not sure if dropping Ishpeming was driven by their opponents scheduling. Marquette was 9-1 vs Ishpeming those past 10 seasons, including 5 straight wins when the rivalry ended.

In keeping pace with the other 3 Class A schools in the U.P./ Northern L.P., this is how Marquette' s opponents compared:

Opponent/Breakdown of their opponents by Class:

Traverse City Central / Class A (7), Class B (2)
Alpena / Class A (4), Class B (3), Class C (2)
Escanaba / Class A (3), Class B (4), Class C (2)
Marquette / Class A (3), Class B (5), Class C (1)

The one Class C opponent, Negaunee, would go back up to Class B for the next few seasons, then steady off to Class C where they have been to this day.

* The Great Lakes Athletic Conference (Think I left out the word "Athletic" in earlier posts) lasted from 1990 through the 1996 season.

From 1997-1999 Marquette' s schedule would change slightly. Marquette would lose Gwinn Week 7 and pick up Traverse City West.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:16 am

Made a minor correction to the last post. With the 4 team Great Lakes Athletic Conference disbanding after the 1996 season, from '97-'99 Marquette lost Gwinn and picked up Traverse City West.

Traverse City broke up into two high schools beginning 1997. Many should remember how initially one of the high schools was to be the "football school" and the other the "hockey school."

Here was how the Marquette football program fared in the 1990's (best to worst):

Sault Ste Marie 6-4
Gwinn 5-2
Alpena 3-7
Traverse City Central 2-8
Gladstone 2-8
Menominee 2-8
Escanaba 1-9
Traverse City West 0-3
Kingsford 0-10
Negaunee 0-10

Overall in the '90s: 21 wins, 69 loses. Ouch!!!!

What's interesting is Marquette finally defeated Traverse City Central 2 of the first 3 years Traverse City broke up into Central & West.

It was also during the '97-'99 timeframe Marquette went 2-1 vs Alpena, defeating them for the first time since the schools played each other in the mid '80's.

What hurt even more was during this decade the football program started to experience "run time" losses.

Would like to take quick look at the Marquette - Gwinn rivalry that ended after the 1996 season. Should be on the home stretch to finish up the thread!

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Postby Hueby » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:45 pm

1996 was the last season Marquette and Gwinn would ever play each other.

Again, don't know the details as to who dropped who. Or again, if it was more about achieving play off points. The school Marquette played in place of Gwinn was the new Class A high school on the block- Traverse City West.

A little about the Marquette - Gwinn series....

The schools played each other from 1979 to 1996. Gwinn was a Class B school when it all began but in the 90s had dropped down to Class C.

Marquette' s record against Gwinn was 13-5. But like all the Marquette County teams, many times them playing Marquette brought out their best.

Gwinn' s wins against Marquette were:

1980 Won 7-6
1985 Won 7-6
1986 Won 6-3
1993 Won 26-8 (MSHS went 0-9 that year)
1995 Won 7-6

Also of note, of Marquette' s 13 wins against Gwinn, 7 of those wins were by "one score or less!"

As mentioned earlier, one of the most exciting games between Gwinn and Marquette was on a Saturday in 1981, Gwinn' s Homecoming which Marquette won in 3 OT' s 42-36.

Gwinn would really struggle in the early 1980's, however I remember in the mid-80's the Gwinn football community was excited because some "highly respected football coach" within the Air Force community was taking over the program.

In the mid - 80's I remember seeing that Gwinn coach from a distance as he called time out and walked on the field. He was dressed very professionally. He wore a (baseball) hat , suit jacket and tie. Beside Paul "Bear" Bryant I had never seen that- especially in the U.P. He would also remind many of Woody Hayes in his dress.

He eventually got Gwinn up to some 4 win seasons & a little more competitive, but I don't know how long he stayed in Gwinn.

In 1993 the Air Force announced the closing of KI Sawyer AFB, which it did in 1995. This was a huge loss and economic hit to the Gwinn community and Marquette County.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:49 pm

This is more of a "set up" post. Have been looking into the Eastern end/Northern Lower Michigan teams a little more. Compared to the U.P.'s GNC, the Class A & B schools over there have had much more movement/instability over the years.

When that small four team Class A Great Lakes Athletics Conference (Traverse City Central, Alpena, Escanaba & Marquette) disbanded after 1996, the "Big North A & B Conferences" were formed.

So from 1997-1999:

Big North A= Alpena, Cadillac, Traverse City Central & Traverse City West

Big North B= Petoskey, Cheboygan, Gaylord & Sault Ste Marie

There were Big North A & B crossover games, but like Sault Ste Marie did not play Traverse City Central. This why TCC, TCW, Alpena and SSM stayed on Marquette' s schedule.

However in 2000, the Big North merged together as one and they all played each other once, needing to only fill two non-conference games.

In 2004 the Big North lost Sault Ste Marie and Cheboygan. Sault Ste Marie & Cheboygan joined the Straights-Area Conference along with St. Ignac and Newberry. Then in 2008 Sault Ste Marie played as an Independent until joining the GNC for football in 2016.

In 2011 West Branch Ogemaw Heights joined the Big North, so it now looked like this:

Alpena
Cadillac
Gaylord
Petoskey
Traverse City Central
Traverse City West
West Branch Ogemaw Heights

However after the 2015 Season West Branch Ogemaw Heights went Independent, putting the Big North back to a 6 Team conference.

Will be interesting to see what, if any changes lie ahead for the Big North Conference.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:53 pm

2000-2009 Seasons

This was the "basic foundation" of Marquette' s football schedule during the 2000's. Will put the program's 10 year record vs that opponent during this era in Parenthesis ( ). Great Northern Conference opponents in bold:

Wk 1:
Wk 2: Sault Ste Marie NC (3-7)
Wk 3: Menominee (0-10)
Wk 4: Escanaba (3-7)
Wk 5: Gladstone (5-5)
Wk 6: Kingsford (0-10)
Wk 7:
Wk 8: Negaunee NC (3-7)
Wk 9:

* After the 2002 season, the Menominee game was moved to Week 7. Kingsford replaced Marquette as Menominee' s Week 3 opponent where the "Hofer Bowl" was played then.

* Sault Ste Marie and Negaunee were established non-conference opponents.

* Versus these 6 established opponents, Marquette went 14-46 during this era.

* It was also during this era Marquette began playing more Big North Conference opponents. ( ) = how they did against them these years. Besides Alpena (1-0) and TC West (0-2), Marquette began playing Cheboygan (2-3) and Petoskey (5-4).

* Marquette also began playing various "non-traditional" teams from Lower Michigan- Flint Northern and Montrose.

* Thanks to a former U.P. basketball coach who got a teaching/coaching job in DePere, WI, - as well as the DePere AD being a Yooper, Marquette played their first WIAA opponent with a two year contract vs the DePere Redbirds.

* Marquette also began playing Calumet, which led into the next/current era. We'll touch on this a little more on the next post (almost finished!). The Marquette / Calumet series had a one year halt in which Marquette played Superior, Wisconsin. Just like when Marquette hosted DePere- the game was played in the Superior Dome.

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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:30 am

2010 to Present

The core foundation to Marquette' s schedule didn't change much- GNC opponents Escanaba, Gladstone, Kingsford & Menominee. Then Marquette continued their NC games with Sault Ste Marie and Negaunee.

Here is a timeline of changes during this era:

* There would be some minor shuffling of games. In 2011, the Sault Ste Marie game went from Week 2 to Week 3.

* 2011 was also the last season Marquette and Calumet had their short lived rivalry. The schools began playing each other in Week 9 back in 2002. They played each other from 2002-03, then 2005-11.

Marquette would win the first 4 games, then Calumet won the last 4 of the 5.

* When the Marquette/Calumet series ended, in 2012 Week 9 remained open that year for Marquette. Meanwhile what had happened was Calumet picked up Negaunee, replacing Gladstone in their Week 2, then had Gladstone replace Marquette as Calumet' s Week 9 opponent.

* In 2013 the Menominee game was moved to Week 9. So since the early 2000's Menominee went from Week 3 to Week 7 to finally Week 9.

* In 2016 Sault Ste Marie became of member of the GNC for football.

* However then for the 2017 season, Gladstone had left the GNC in football.

During this era Marquette filled those other weeks with Big North opponents like Traverse City Central and Petoskey. They have also played non-traditional opponents like Detroit Mumford, Detroit Denby Tech, Constantine, Birmingham Detroit Country Day, Traverse City St. Francis, and rare Wisconsin opponents like Grafton & Lakeland.

Also for the record, 2016 was by far the toughest schedule Marquette ever had, as 7 of the 9 opponents qualified for the playoffs that season.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:07 am

2017 moving forward

So here is the core foundation of the Marquette Redmen football schedule of today (GNC opponents in bold):

Wk 1:
Wk 2:
Wk 3: Sault Ste Marie
Wk 4: Escanaba
Wk 5:
Wk 6: Kingsford
Wk 7:
Wk 8: Negaunee
Wk 9: Menominee

Challenges lie ahead. There is talk of Sault Ste Marie leaving the GNC and possible changes in the Northern Lower Peninsula. Negaunee is leaving for the West PAC.

Then add Marquette' s school size (pro and con), yearly fluctuating level of student interest, their overall level of competitiveness, geographical location & mix in Michigan's anarchy football system and let's hope everything can work out in the end.

Well that's it. It's fun when you look back at an early 1900's Graveraet tatler and see their schedule, playing about 4-5 games a year: Negaunee, Ishpeming, Munising & Newberry. Some times they played Negaunee and/or Ishpeming twice a year.

Then in time through the decades where it is today. It will be very interesting to see what the future holds!
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby PolarBear » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:10 am

Hueby wrote:1996 was the last season Marquette and Gwinn would ever play each other.

Again, don't know the details as to who dropped who. Or again, if it was more about achieving play off points. The school Marquette played in place of Gwinn was the new Class A high school on the block- Traverse City West.

A little about the Marquette - Gwinn series....

The schools played each other from 1979 to 1996. Gwinn was a Class B school when it all began but in the 90s had dropped down to Class C.

Marquette' s record against Gwinn was 13-5. But like all the Marquette County teams, many times them playing Marquette brought out their best.

Gwinn' s wins against Marquette were:

1980 Won 7-6
1985 Won 7-6
1986 Won 6-3
1993 Won 26-8 (MSHS went 0-9 that year)
1995 Won 7-6

Also of note, of Marquette' s 13 wins against Gwinn, 7 of those wins were by "one score or less!"

As mentioned earlier, one of the most exciting games between Gwinn and Marquette was on a Saturday in 1981, Gwinn' s Homecoming which Marquette won in 3 OT' s 42-36.

Gwinn would really struggle in the early 1980's, however I remember in the mid-80's the Gwinn football community was excited because some "highly respected football coach" within the Air Force community was taking over the program.

In the mid - 80's I remember seeing that Gwinn coach from a distance as he called time out and walked on the field. He was dressed very professionally. He wore a (baseball) hat , suit jacket and tie. Beside Paul "Bear" Bryant I had never seen that- especially in the U.P. He would also remind many of Woody Hayes in his dress.

He eventually got Gwinn up to some 4 win seasons & a little more competitive, but I don't know how long he stayed in Gwinn.

In 1993 the Air Force announced the closing of KI Sawyer AFB, which it did in 1995. This was a huge loss and economic hit to the Gwinn community and Marquette County.


I'm getting nostalgic reading this.

In 1995, Gwinn kicked an extra point to win it in the final quarter, 7-6.
In 1996, Marquette won on a Saturday homecoming game. Gwinn was actually favored to win this one as they defeated Mano, Munsing, and Westwood earlier the season.
I thought Gwinn and Marquette played each other in 1997 but maybe Newberry was Marquette replacement game for Gwinn at that point.

I'm thinking Dick Mettlach Jr. took over in 1990 or maybe earlier. He was the boy's 8th grade basketball coach for a number of years in Gwinn as well. Marquette was in the midst of the mid-90's Grayvold era where he actively tried to recruit kids from hockey. I think the common misconception is that BEST athletes played hockey but, if I recall correctly, Marquette had pretty good numbers for football during that era. Marquette's difficulties in the 1990's had more to do with with attitude and work ethic. Not to say that kids in that era were bad individuals, but priorities were just not centered on football. Basketball was also sub-par at the school during this timeframe...but it wasn't Bill Laurich's fault.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:38 am

PolarBear wrote:
I'm getting nostalgic reading this.

In 1995, Gwinn kicked an extra point to win it in the final quarter, 7-6.
In 1996, Marquette won on a Saturday homecoming game. Gwinn was actually favored to win this one as they defeated Mano, Munsing, and Westwood earlier the season.
I thought Gwinn and Marquette played each other in 1997 but maybe Newberry was Marquette replacement game for Gwinn at that point.

I'm thinking Dick Mettlach Jr. took over in 1990 or maybe earlier. He was the boy's 8th grade basketball coach for a number of years in Gwinn as well. Marquette was in the midst of the mid-90's Grayvold era where he actively tried to recruit kids from hockey. I think the common misconception is that BEST athletes played hockey but, if I recall correctly, Marquette had pretty good numbers for football during that era. Marquette's difficulties in the 1990's had more to do with with attitude and work ethic. Not to say that kids in that era were bad individuals, but priorities were just not centered on football. Basketball was also sub-par at the school during this timeframe...but it wasn't Bill Laurich's fault.


Will try to keep this brief as I know the mods want more "playoff talk" this time of year...

I can't imagine the anticipation, excitement and anxiety when Gwinn lined up for that extra point try. Back in the day especially in Marquette County there weren't many good kickers like today. Every kick was a challenge!

Sounds like Coach Grayvold thought some of those kids could help the team? What's sad is specialization has also hurt hockey. Many of those kids probably could have used football to make them better hockey players.

Heard Coach Grayvold was the one to get Pop Warner started after the Middle School football program got cut.

Coach Bill Laurich...that's a name from the past! He coached both boys and girls at the middle school level for many years (70's & 80's) then the mid 80's moved up to the Frosh & JV levels (both boys and girls). So he made it to the varsity level ...well sonna gun! He must have replaced Coach Gordy LeDuc? Not sure the basketball coach history. Maybe one or two more prior to Coach Tiz coming in?

No I hear what you're saying about the kids...I get it. Especially the attitude!

If I ever get up there can look into the last year Marquette and Gwinn played. The Michigan-Football site has Marquette picking up & playing Traverse City West the season in question...however the site has published incorrect opponents on the team's schedules in the past.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby PolarBear » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:19 pm

Hueby wrote:
Will try to keep this brief as I know the mods want more "playoff talk" this time of year...

I can't imagine the anticipation, excitement and anxiety when Gwinn lined up for that extra point try. Back in the day especially in Marquette County there weren't many good kickers like today. Every kick was a challenge!


Gwinn, at the time, had probably one of the best kickers in UP Football history in Bernie Rosendahl who went on to play for Central Michigan for a few years. He was very talented, kickoffs often deep into the endzone. Extra points were not a problem for Gwinn back then.

Hueby wrote:Sounds like Coach Grayvold thought some of those kids could help the team? What's sad is specialization has also hurt hockey. Many of those kids probably could have used football to make them better hockey players.

Heard Coach Grayvold was the one to get Pop Warner started after the Middle School football program got cut.


That is true about Grayvold in regards to Pop Warner. Also very much true in that some the more athletic kids from that era could be found on the ice. You have to understand his frustration - he had to pull whatever kids that didn't want to play for the Marquette Electricians hockey team or the Redmen Hockey Team. I'm not sure who the coach is now for Marquette, but I imagine that he has work cut out for him considering that even less kids want to play football and that Marquette now fields a soccer team.

Hueby wrote:Coach Bill Laurich...that's a name from the past! He coached both boys and girls at the middle school level for many years (70's & 80's) then the mid 80's moved up to the Frosh & JV levels (both boys and girls). So he made it to the varsity level ...well sonna gun! He must have replaced Coach Gordy LeDuc? Not sure the basketball coach history. Maybe one or two more prior to Coach Tiz coming in?


He was prior to Tiz...but I'm not entirely sure that he replaced LeDuc. My memory is fuzzy. Marquette did have some talented players on the court in the 90's, but it's so often the sum of its parts which wins games. Laurich is/was a wonderful guy. The kid's loved playing for him.

Hueby wrote:No I hear what you're saying about the kids...I get it. Especially the attitude!


I need to stand corrected that the kids from Marquette were always nice, humble individuals. The guys in that era played for fun and for the social aspect.
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Re: Evolution of Marquette' s football schedule

Postby Hueby » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:21 pm

PolarBear wrote:
Hueby wrote:No I hear what you're saying about the kids...I get it. Especially the attitude!


I need to stand corrected that the kids from Marquette were always nice, humble individuals. The guys in that era played for fun and for the social aspect.



I hear ya! The few committed to football are great Americans! Yes many good people. I just wish more people in Marquette made playing football a part of their lives.

A side question, would you know why Coach Grayvold left? He did pretty good at Norway. Also they did an outstanding job as parents. It was fun cheering for his son (and former Norway players) who came down this way.
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