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Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Finchwidget » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:37 pm

So, finally some conference realignment news that isn't related to the whole GNC/West PAC fiasco; the Soo is confirmed to being making the move to the NMFL Legends for 2020, along with West Branch Ogemaw Heights.

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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 pm

I'm shocked that Soo High didn't ask to get placed in the Legacy Division!
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby amped0808 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:18 pm

Hambone wrote:I'm shocked that Soo High didn't ask to get placed in the Legacy Division!


Odds of Soo asking out of the league after getting pole-axed in conference play after a few years again? I say 50/50.

At least they found a home that is relatively close to them? Still want to see how GNC operates going forward in 2020 especially since Menominee could be in a WI conference for Football.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Up Football Fan » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:47 pm

amped0808 wrote:
Hambone wrote:I'm shocked that Soo High didn't ask to get placed in the Legacy Division!


Odds of Soo asking out of the league after getting pole-axed in conference play after a few years again? I say 50/50.

At least they found a home that is relatively close to them? Still want to see how GNC operates going forward in 2020 especially since Menominee could be in a WI conference for Football.



news out of the wissports.net folks is that Kingsford is headed to the Bay Conference in Wisconsin come 2020...........GNC looks to be on a lifeline right now
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:35 pm

Menominee has actually been realeased as part of the latest proposal, nothing on Kingsford yet. I'll know more after the clinic this week.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:23 am

After attending the WIFCA clinic, I was told that Menominee is definitely part of the new football only realignment. Kingsford is not part of the plan. The GNC is going to be a mess trying to schedule games for 2020.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby amped0808 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:17 am

Hambone wrote:After attending the WIFCA clinic, I was told that Menominee is definitely part of the new football only realignment. Kingsford is not part of the plan. The GNC is going to be a mess trying to schedule games for 2020.


That's not good.....They may be forced to play twice against each other to fill schedules out perhaps.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:33 am

It could really get bad for the GNC if the playoff formula changes from six wins and you're in to the proposed "strength of schedule" plan. What would happen to a school like Escanaba that may end up playing two teams twice that a really bad?
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Avalanche » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:27 am

Hearing Michigan may torpedo Menominee by requiring them to play a certain number of Michigan teams to qualify for the Michigan playoffs. Amazing that Michigan provides no scheduling assistance but will penalize Menominee for finding its own solution.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:40 pm

If that's the case, the same should happen to Ironwood in basketball. They play all but 4/5 games against Wisconsin schools. It's laughable that they would intervene at this point.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby GNCrocks » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:57 pm

Avalanche wrote:Hearing Michigan may torpedo Menominee by requiring them to play a certain number of Michigan teams to qualify for the Michigan playoffs. Amazing that Michigan provides no scheduling assistance but will penalize Menominee for finding its own solution.


IF this is true, Menominee should just leave the MHSAA for the WIAA at this point. And no one would blame them...
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby ftballfan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:42 pm

Hambone wrote:If that's the case, the same should happen to Ironwood in basketball. They play all but 4/5 games against Wisconsin schools. It's laughable that they would intervene at this point.


Not only did they play Wisconsin schools, many of the WI schools they played are much smaller than Ironwood. Their getting running clocked by Iron Mountain in round 1 of districts is proof of how awful Ironwood's schedule was.

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Ironwood (MI) 221
Hurley 170
Washburn 168
Bayfield 119
Drummond 115
Mellen 91
Solon Springs 74
Butternut 59
Mercer 52
South Shore 52
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby amped0808 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:40 am

ftballfan wrote:
Hambone wrote:If that's the case, the same should happen to Ironwood in basketball. They play all but 4/5 games against Wisconsin schools. It's laughable that they would intervene at this point.


Not only did they play Wisconsin schools, many of the WI schools they played are much smaller than Ironwood. Their getting running clocked by Iron Mountain in round 1 of districts is proof of how awful Ironwood's schedule was.

Indianhead Conference enrollments (2018-19):
Ironwood (MI) 221
Hurley 170
Washburn 168
Bayfield 119
Drummond 115
Mellen 91
Solon Springs 74
Butternut 59
Mercer 52
South Shore 52


To be honest, the Indianhead took a few steps back this year in basketball. Outside of Ironwood, the rest of the league was beating up on each other.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Finchwidget » Mon May 13, 2019 3:36 pm

From the MHSAA UP Athletic Committee Meeting in April.

Football Discussion 11-Player/8-Player
1. The Representative Council will review and vote on the proposed strength of schedule plan to the MHSAA tournament qualification process. If approved, it would start in 2020.
2. Some UP schools have concerns about scheduling Kingsford, Escanaba, Marquette, Gladstone and Menominee in football. These schools have been forced to scramble for games, given the formation of the West Pac League of 15 schools.
Schools of the Great Northern UP Conference will lose game consideration form Wisconsin schools which are moving to closed border schedules in 2020.
With some forward thinking and especially if the strength of schedule format is approved, it may seem feasible for the West Pac league to incorporate Kingsford, Gladstone and Menominee while Escanaba and Marquette could become scheduling partners with the Big North Conference.
These transitions will have to overcome concerns of strength of program (Menominee) and travel distances to Escanaba and Marquette. There is also the possibility that the Wisconsin League will offer contests to Kingsford HS.

The committee made no recommendations to the MHSAA.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby 80's_Guy » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:13 am

I just heard yesterday that Escanaba and Negaunee are no longer scrimmaging. Was also told this is due to the likelihood of them playing in 2020. Anyone able to confirm or deny?
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby GNCrocks » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:25 am

80's_Guy wrote:I just heard yesterday that Escanaba and Negaunee are no longer scrimmaging. Was also told this is due to the likelihood of them playing in 2020. Anyone able to confirm or deny?


1. I can CONFIRM the two are not scrimmaging this year. Escanaba is scrimmaging Bark River-Harris and a 3rd WI school in a 3 way scrimmage.
2. As far as a possible 2020 game, I would be both thrilled and shocked by this. Thrilled in the fact that its long overdue for both schools, but shocked as this would be a reversal of the current "culture" at Negaunee. Negaunee has a U.P/State wide reputation that if they (Negaunee) had an open week, they would rather schedule a class D school or keep an open date than schedule a GNC or larger school; where as Escanaba has a "we will play ANYONE/Anyplace" mentality that is lacking in the larger west-pac cultures. If this is a reversal, maybe the new change in playoff points is already showing some improvement even in the most difficult of cultures out there. IF Negaunee has had a reversal of this culture it is a long over due welcome change that I hope only bleeds over to Iron Mountain and Houghton/Hancock. Not only just for football but for other sports as well.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:55 am

There will be some reshuffling of the West PAC next year, more schools falling to 8 man and one co-op (Gogebic) very likely breaking up. I'm not sure how Escanaba can scrimmage a Wisconsin school, that's week 1 unless they found someone with an open date.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby amped0808 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:43 am

Hambone wrote:There will be some reshuffling of the West PAC next year, more schools falling to 8 man and one co-op (Gogebic) very likely breaking up. I'm not sure how Escanaba can scrimmage a Wisconsin school, that's week 1 unless they found someone with an open date.


The only 11-man school with an open date in WI for week 1 is Webster. If would've taken a lot of convincing on Esky's part to have them travel 5.5 hours to get there.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby GNCrocks » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:43 am

Not sure who it was, to be honest, MHSAA actually has the scrimmage now for the week just before week 1, it was earlier originally may just be the two now.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:28 am

You only get one scrimmage, the week before your first game. There is a requirement for number of practices before you scrimmage, and its never on week 2 of practice.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Bastas » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:53 am

I always wondered what was the reasoning behind only allowing one scrimmage.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby GNCrocks » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:31 am

There may be rules, but I can tell you that the majority of the old Mid-Pen conf. from the mid 90's to early 2000's had multiple scrimmages and also had one in BEFORE U.P. State Fair week, so....
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby Hambone » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:39 pm

That may have happened in the past, but I can assure you no one does it today. The heat acclimatization and contact rules clearly tell you how may practices you must have in order to have a scrimmage. No smart coach is going to risk getting sanctioned for having an unauthorized scrimmage.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby GNCrocks » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:20 am

Yeah with the heat and the season pushed earlier. I have heard some frightening stories in other states.
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Re: Conference Realignment 2020

Postby GNCrocks » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:05 pm

What is latest with Kingsford and the WIAA
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